I now have my syagrus romanzoffiana santa catarina

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I now have my syagrus romanzoffiana santa catarina

Post by JakoMonster » Thu Sep 29, 2011 11:34 am

Just got home from colledge and my queen palm was waiting outside the house i got it from Amulree Exoctics for half price, i'm really happy with and it's much bigger them i thought would be icon_thumleft

here some pictures of it
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Post by Yorkshire Kris » Thu Sep 29, 2011 11:37 am

That looks a great one. Just keep those leaves green and your laughing.


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Post by GoggleboxUK » Thu Sep 29, 2011 11:38 am

Nice!

How will you overwinter this one?
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Post by JakoMonster » Thu Sep 29, 2011 12:13 pm

GoggleboxUK wrote:Nice!

How will you overwinter this one?
ummmm..... icon_scratch not sure lol, i am hoping this winter will go back to the normal mild ones i get here, but i doubt it so i'm not sure yet what i'm gonna do to protect it but i'm sure people will share there ideas :idea: :)


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Post by Nigel » Thu Sep 29, 2011 12:14 pm

That plant passed through my hands..... its still looking well.
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Post by Las Palmas Norte » Thu Sep 29, 2011 4:11 pm

I hope yours fairs better than mine. It looked very similar (although straight) but slowly declined in the autumn a couple of years ago, never experiencing temps below +5°C (40°F). :(

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Post by Andy Martin » Thu Sep 29, 2011 5:41 pm

Las Palmas Norte wrote:I hope yours fairs better than mine. It looked very similar (although straight) but slowly declined in the autumn a couple of years ago, never experiencing temps below +5°C (40°F). :(

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So i guess -8C might be pushing it a bit in my neck of the woods :wink:


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Post by Nathan » Fri Sep 30, 2011 10:14 am

Jack, I would keep it in it's pot for now & bring indoors, or take into a frost free shed/garage whenever temperatures are forecast to drop below 0C. Then plant it out in a nice sheltered & sunny spot next spring, ideally up against the house icon_thumleft
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Post by brettc2727 » Fri Sep 30, 2011 4:08 pm

I wouldnt plant that till spring though and your probobly gunna need to use a heating cable. It'll make it establish and grow !! Though im guessing you would have to turn it off sometime in the summer for the fronds to harden off and get some colour or am i wrong? :S.


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Post by JakoMonster » Fri Sep 30, 2011 4:27 pm

Ok i know i probaly shouldn't have but i planted it yesterday
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Post by Las Palmas Norte » Fri Sep 30, 2011 5:11 pm

Nathan wrote:Jack, I would keep it in it's pot for now & bring indoors, or take into a frost free shed/garage whenever temperatures are forecast to drop below 0C. Then plant it out in a nice sheltered & sunny spot next spring, ideally up against the house icon_thumleft
Those where my intentions too ... never saw a temp below 5°C ... or a day into November. I suspected a forced greenhouse grown palm which is weak and won't take any chilly temps period.

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Post by Adrian » Fri Sep 30, 2011 5:34 pm

Jako, good luck and it might just pay off.
I have had success with Syagrus outside by wrapping a 3.0m sheet of the clear plastic corrugated roof sheet around the palm leaving the top open and adding a rope light around the base of the trunk and it worked.
I got cocky last winter and left off the rope light and ended up losing the fronds, the palm is still alive but I gave it to Ashley as its going to take a long while cooking in a greenhouse to get to what it was (except the greenhouse will never be high enough to regain its lost height)
It wasnt a 'santa caterina' but a normal Syagrus romanzoffiana, Ive tried the 'santa caterina' but didnt find it any hardier or any different to the ordinary roman.
I have grown quite a few Syagrus palms and its the less than borderline palm that I will keep growing as it gives the look Im after more than any other palm.

At risk of upsetting a few folk my take is this.....
.....plenty of ordinary romanzoffianas were found in the specialist nurseries until threads spread through the forums suggesting the 'santa cats' were hardier, next minute all Syagrus found in these nurseries were 'santa caterinas' and no ordinary 'roms' to be found.
Call me cynical but they look exactly the same and as far as I can see they are exactly the same, certainly no different growth habits nor hardiness differences, the 'santa cats' dont grow at lower temps, wish they did but they dont.

Jako you will need to keep the leaves in good condition through winter because they wont grow enough during one of our summers to replace any damage.

I'll keep going with my 'romans' as I can winter a couple in the conservatory each winter until they outgrow the roof, I mean, you can pick them up cheap enough so easy to replace.
Good luck growing it outside but dont expect to see it again in the spring, I really wish you well.
Im also trying the Syagrus yungasensis that could possibly be a better bet for us but in all honesty that hasnt set any records on fire so far.
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Post by Nigel » Fri Sep 30, 2011 5:54 pm

Adrian wrote: At risk of upsetting a few folk my take is this.....
.....plenty of ordinary romanzoffianas were found in the specialist nurseries until threads spread through the forums suggesting the 'santa cats' were hardier, next minute all Syagrus found in these nurseries were 'santa caterinas' and no ordinary 'roms' to be found.
Call me cynical but they look exactly the same and as far as I can see they are exactly the same, certainly no different growth habits nor hardiness differences, the 'santa cats' dont grow at lower temps, wish they did but they dont.

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Ade, Alberto planted a syagrus rom from Sau Paulo in his garden and it burned, the local ones didnt.
The council in Curitiba bought a lot of cheap Syagrus from Rio de Janeiro, they all died where the local ones didnt.
In Florida the silver queen, bonsal queen, and santa catarina queen ( all from this region ) all survive freezes, the others dont.
Maybe the origin of your other queen was from this region, but it is beyond any reasonable doubt the provenance is crucial.

The french are also buying the santa cat because it is growing where others failed.
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Post by Adrian » Fri Sep 30, 2011 7:16 pm

No one would love them to be hardy as much as me but I havent seen any difference Nige.
Maybe a degree or two makes a big difference in Brazil or the South of France but we need more to make a difference here.
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Post by Nigel » Fri Sep 30, 2011 7:40 pm

Adrian wrote:No one would love them to be hardy as much as me but I havent seen any difference Nige.
Maybe a degree or two makes a big difference in Brazil or the South of France but we need more to make a difference here.
Ade, yours much have come from this area because the tropical ones are like barrie described, hopeless.
I dont even think they are hardy in the UK without SERIOUS protection, such as you gave yours.
If you had one with a tropical provenance it wouldnt have come through winter like yours did, you got lucky and had one with hardy provenence.
All people are doing by buying a santa cat queen is quaranteeing the right provenance rather than trusting to luck as in your case.
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