Tree protection orders on Trachys.........

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Tree protection orders on Trachys.........

Post by cordyman » Tue Jan 22, 2013 7:10 pm

A post Dell made in my Vidjo topic "Im like you, but i keep panicing think what it will be like in 30years when they are all huge.
Mind you by then i'l be 70 so i suppose the next family can worry about that lol."


Got me thinking.

1.Can you get a tree protection order on a Trachycarpus (any palm for that matter) once it reaches a mature height? They exist to protect rare large specimens , and a large Trachycarpus is certainly far rarer than an Oak tree i'd say in the UK icon_scratch

2. Whats your thoughts on what will happen to your trachys when you move house/leave this world? Are you in the school of "not bothered I won't be there to enjoy it, couldnt care less if it gets chopped" or "I spent many years looking after that palm from a nipper, I want it to be around for future generations, and i'd be mighty piffed if someone took a chainsaw to it" Do you care about its full lifespan beyond your care?

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Post by jungle jas » Tue Jan 22, 2013 7:47 pm

I would like to think people would leave them were they are, but why should they? I ripped every thing out of my garden when I moved to my present house 5 years ago! Why shouldn't every one else do the same? The garden is an extension of your own taste. A lot of people don't like palms, they don't fit there idea of an English garden. I shall still come back and haunt the person who digs my Jubs up though. :lol: icon_thumright

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Post by bordersboy » Tue Jan 22, 2013 7:59 pm

Im sure if you wanted too you could write a legal clause into your property deeds that says the palm must be left alone and protected from harm in perpetuity. Means paying a lawyer though which is never a good feeling icon_pirat

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Post by fern Rob » Tue Jan 22, 2013 11:39 pm

Another option is you could donate them to a collection/garden that will allow them to grow and others to admire them, saying that it may take some doing digging them up with a big mass of roots :lol:

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Post by Tom2006 » Wed Jan 23, 2013 12:23 am

When I die I won't know so won't care. Would be nice to think they would grow on but nothing lasts forever. Interesting to hear a solicitor can put something in place.
Most wanted list - Any Young Trachycarpus and/or fern.

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Post by redsquirrel » Wed Jan 23, 2013 7:35 am

jungle jas wrote:I would like to think people would leave them were they are, but why should they? I ripped every thing out of my garden when I moved to my present house 5 years ago! Why shouldn't every one else do the same? The garden is an extension of your own taste. A lot of people don't like palms, they don't fit there idea of an English garden. I shall still come back and haunt the person who digs my Jubs up though. :lol: icon_thumright
tell Nigel about that. when he sold his house,he had some stunning palms in his front garden. the new owners didnt fancy them obviously and took them down,with a saw
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Post by greendragon » Wed Jan 23, 2013 10:36 am

As far as i'm aware only native trees can get a tree protection order.

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Post by Blairs » Wed Jan 23, 2013 11:23 am

greendragon wrote:As far as i'm aware only native trees can get a tree protection order.
I thought that, but I know of a Holm Oak (not native to UK) that has a TPO. As far as I have read any tree or group of Trees or woodland can get a TPO. Suppose it depends if a Trachycarpus is deemed a tree or a shrub. If it is a shrub then no TPO but if it is deemed a tree, then potentially it could get one. Would be interesting to see.

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Post by greendragon » Wed Jan 23, 2013 11:29 am

Holm Oaks are considered to be naturalized though.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_tr ... nd_Ireland

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Post by Blairs » Wed Jan 23, 2013 12:05 pm

greendragon wrote:Holm Oaks are considered to be naturalized though.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_tr ... nd_Ireland
Naturalised does not mean native. The wikipedia link for Holm Oak says:

"Holm oak is damaging biodiversity in the United Kingdom, and is listed as an alien invader."

So hardly one for a TPO but I know of one that is.

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Post by fern Rob » Wed Jan 23, 2013 12:11 pm

Just looked in to TPO and they can cover Natives, Exotics, and fruit trees. Found the info on local government website. From another website I also found out you can request a TPO from the your local council.

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Post by pdid » Wed Jan 23, 2013 12:51 pm

I don't see why anyone would want to. It would just be another barrier in selling your home.

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Post by Nathan » Wed Jan 23, 2013 1:11 pm

greendragon wrote:As far as i'm aware only native trees can get a tree protection order.
The mature Phoenix canariensis at Chelston in Torquay has a TPO on it icon_thumright

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Post by simon » Wed Jan 23, 2013 1:33 pm

fern Rob wrote:Just looked in to TPO and they can cover Natives, Exotics, and fruit trees. Found the info on local government website. From another website I also found out you can request a TPO from the your local council.
It doesn't even have to be in your own garden. My parents put a TPO on a tree in a neighbours garden after a couple of others in the vicnity were cut down. My Dad thinks it is some kind of Sequoia.

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Post by Dave Brown » Wed Jan 23, 2013 3:07 pm

A Trachycarpus fortunei can reach 50ft in it's lifetime, so I suppose it could become a feature of the local area. In that case many people may want it left alone if you sold up, or met your maker. When I used to deal with Planning applications for the Parish Council, TPOs could be applied to any tree with a 6", or more, trunk diameter.
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