Why do trachycarpus fortunei vary

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Why do trachycarpus fortunei vary

Post by Adam r » Sat Dec 15, 2012 8:44 pm

Hi

I bought 2 trachycarpus fortunei early in the year from a nursery and they both have brittle leaves. As soon as the leaves open the wind bends them and they look a mess, the leaves on them are light green and soft.

I bought another trachycarpus fortunei from asda and the leaves are dark green and a lot more rigid and the wind doesn't really affect it apart from the odd bent leaflet.
Today I bought a trachycarpus fortunei from b&q because they were half price, supposed to be £25 and this one has also got dark green leaves which are pretty rigid.
Both have a brown tinge to the leaves before they open but the former 2 don't.

All of them were sold as trachycarpus fortunei.

I read on the Internet ( http://www.plantapalm.com/vpe/palmkey/t ... chykey.htm ) that when takil was discovered in the 1850's that plants and seeds were sent to London which were distributed all around Britain to famous nurserymen of the time but no one knows what happened to them, whether the fortunei we buy today are descendants or if they are hybrids.


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Re: Why do trachycarpus fortunei vary

Post by allangreenbean » Sat Dec 15, 2012 9:45 pm

Could just be mislabeled.

I bought what was labelled a musa basjoo the other week but it's looking more like a dwarf cavendish.

I find places that only sell plants as a sideline tend to be very hit and miss, at least they don't just label them all as palms :lol:


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Re: Why do trachycarpus fortunei vary

Post by jezza » Sat Dec 15, 2012 10:13 pm

Diy sheds are very good at mislabelling. Diy shed trachys (from my experience) are nowhere near as hardy as more specialist nursery palms. Grown in greenhouses and stretched.


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Re: Why do trachycarpus fortunei vary

Post by grub » Sat Dec 15, 2012 11:39 pm

Trachycarpus as a genus is very variable...
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Re: Why do trachycarpus fortunei vary

Post by kata » Sun Dec 16, 2012 8:13 am

Agree, some difference,

I have what I call the normal Trachicarpus fortunei, I was dubious about one other which I can only describe like papery fronds. And I bought a Trachicarpus wagnerianus hybride

Whats the 'Hybride' about?

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Post by Adrian » Tue Dec 18, 2012 7:35 pm

A hybrid is a cross, in your case a cross between a fortunei and a wagnerianus, if labelled a waggie hybrid then I would expect the waggie to be the female palm crossed with fortunei pollen.
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Post by kata » Tue Dec 18, 2012 8:18 pm

Thanks Ade!!

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Re: Why do trachycarpus fortunei vary

Post by Conifers » Tue Dec 18, 2012 9:02 pm

But since 'Wagnerianus' is just a cultivar group of Trachycarpus fortunei, it doesn't matter anyway icon_thumright


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Re: Why do trachycarpus fortunei vary

Post by Yorkshire Kris » Thu Dec 20, 2012 6:45 pm

They vary just like people vary. We are all the same species, some black some white. Some tall and some fat.


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Re: Why do trachycarpus fortunei vary

Post by Conifers » Thu Dec 20, 2012 8:15 pm

Yorkshire Kris wrote:They vary just like people vary. .... Some tall ....
Speak for yourself! :lol:


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Re: Why do trachycarpus fortunei vary

Post by Adam r » Thu Dec 20, 2012 11:00 pm

Thanks for the replies


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Re: Why do trachycarpus fortunei vary

Post by kata » Fri Dec 21, 2012 8:46 am

They vary just like people vary. .... Some tall ....
Speak for yourself!
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Re: Why do trachycarpus fortunei vary

Post by Dave Brown » Fri Dec 21, 2012 9:09 am

Trachycarpus fortunei has been cultivated and bred by the Chinese and Japanese for many generations. so there are some quite distinctive forms ie Tesan, and Winsan for instance. Also it has a very wide distribution and localised traits may have occurred. Now the seed may be collected from anywhere.

My Trunky_Trachycarpus (male) was sold as fortunei but has all the characteristics of fortunei 'Tesan'. My Trudi_Trachycarpus (female) is a standard fortunei, and the seedlings from them are very variable. One looks, to all intents and purposes, a pure Wagnerianus. Others from the same female have full 360 degree leaves a characteristic of 'Winsan'.

when I bought trachies, I always looked for those with small robust leaves. They didn't always end up remaining small, but if it has big floppy leaves to start with, that is probably how it will remain. :wink:
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Re: Why do trachycarpus fortunei vary

Post by jungle jas » Wed Dec 26, 2012 3:08 pm

Conifers wrote:But since 'Wagnerianus' is just a cultivar group of Trachycarpus fortunei, it doesn't matter anyway icon_thumright
It does if you live in a windy coastal area. icon_thumright
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Re: Why do trachycarpus fortunei vary

Post by Conifers » Wed Dec 26, 2012 4:23 pm

jungle jas wrote:
Conifers wrote:But since 'Wagnerianus' is just a cultivar group of Trachycarpus fortunei, it doesn't matter anyway icon_thumright
It does if you live in a windy coastal area. icon_thumright
I don't :lol:

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