Trachycarpus latisectus?

[bodster]

Sorry Stephen but I dont think its likely to be that one. Latisectus is very new to cultivation and its very unlikely you've been able to buy a large plant. Most of the ones around are just seedlings. Perhaps you have some other trachycarpus?

[stephenprudence]

it was a seedling when I got it? How new is it to cultivation Martin? If it's anything more than 3 years then I may have a case. If it's not then it's just a fortunei masquerading as a latisectus, of course.

[Robin Cassell]

Hi steve..Is the palm in question planted out?? stick a pic on here as Id be fascinated to see..Latisectus here is VERY tender and burns at 1st frost..back in nov.Thats why it onlygets about4 months growth a year..and I think will die.

[bodster]

I'm not sure stephen but I think seed has only been around a few years here. if you bought a seedling from a specialist its possible but i doubt you'd find one by accident. there are many other trachycarpus though - not just latisectus and fortunii

[stephenprudence]

I know Martin, it's blink of the eyelid stuff and it's just one of those were it 'looks' right

I'll try and get a pic of it before the cold spell. It did get a bit of superficial leaf damage in the last cold spell.

I suppose the question is that will sort it out: Are latisectus faster or slower growing than fortunei? My fortunei is approaching 4ft now, but the palm it question is still about 1.5 ft as a seedling...

[stephenprudence]

heres a picture actually from summer. It just hasnt got the habit of the fortunei, the fortunei fronds are much darker, and the Fortunei is much faster growing, plus latisectus means broad leaf sects, this has broad leaf sects, I'm convinced it's a latisectus - it just looks totally totally different to the fortunei.

I admit I'm nearly always wrong on everything though, so if anyone wants to put me out of my misery lol

[Nathan]

That looks just like a regular fortunei to me Stephen. The leaves on young ones often don't split fully until they are a bit bigger...

[simon]

I can't ID your palm stephen, but I would agree with Nathan that young fan palms in general, often have leaflets that don't split properly. It is part of the phase between strap leaf and fan leaf.

[stephenprudence]

Might be, I just cant understand why that one has stayed so small and my other fortunei which is exactly the same age had motored away to 3 times as large, even though they were 'born' at the same time.

It could well be a fortunei, just looks so different in colour, appearance, the trunk isn't really that hairy compared to fortunei.

I suppose it might my original thought, that it's just retarded.

[Nathan]

Trachycarpus fortunei are very variable. Some grow faster, some have lighter green leaves, some have stiffer leaves, some have more rounded leaves, some have drooping leaflets, etc... It could be that one of yours get more sun or could get more water??
Your palm I would definately say is a regular T. fortunei, even the stem & leaf bases give it away, latisectus looks completely different...

[themes]

its not a regular fortunei imo its "special". Call it what you want Stephen, Nobody can stop you, Fortunei is very variable, not one of mine looks the same. Recent discovery in the foothills of Heswall.

[stephenprudence]

Fair do's it was potentially interesting.

They both got the same amount of sun and water til earlier this year when I planted the smaller fortunei out to spread it's roots. Unfortunately it hasn't really responded - I guess it might be a dwarf for the rest of its life - I do recall seeing people who had dwarf fortunei might be a genetic impediment.

Note: If you're pretty annoyed like Mo above about my erratic naming of 'special things', reply in anger rather than satire, as I will know then to put an end to my constant rubbish babblings

[themes]

Fair do's it was potentially interesting.

I do recall seeing people who had dwarf fortunei might be a genetic impediment.

i like vertically challenged better

[simon]

I do recall seeing people who had dwarf fortunei might be a genetic impediment.

Do you think it can from your mother's or your father's side?

[Nathan]

Here's a young fortunei I have, notice the leaves are not yet fully split...

Also the leaf bases & stem...