7 foot Phoenix canariensis_CIDP - unprotected in SE London?

Stevo

7 foot Phoenix canariensis_CIDP - unprotected in SE London?

Post by Stevo » Sun Jul 08, 2012 3:52 pm

Hi,

I'm thinking of buying a 7 foot tall Phoenix canariensis_CIDP and was wondering if it would survive unprotected in SE London?

Cheers all.

Rick1965

Re: 7 foot Phoenix canariensis (Phoenix canariensis_CIDP) - unprotected in SE Lo

Post by Rick1965 » Sun Jul 08, 2012 4:17 pm

Hi Stevo,
From my own experience both Chamerops and Butia have been better performers. I have/had (spear pulled) a 10ft + Phoenix which looks terrible. It has grown out from spear pull but doesn't get enough summer to recover fully for the following winter.

Stevo

Re: 7 foot Phoenix canariensis (Phoenix canariensis (Phoenix canariensis_CIDP))

Post by Stevo » Sun Jul 08, 2012 4:29 pm

Rick1965 wrote:Hi Stevo,
From my own experience both Chamerops and Butia have been better performers. I have/had (spear pulled) a 10ft + Phoenix which looks terrible. It has grown out from spear pull but doesn't get enough summer to recover fully for the following winter.
Thanks Rick. I'll not bother with one then I don't think. I may get a Jubaea instead.

Steve

gdudey

Re: 7 foot Phoenix canariensis (Phoenix canariensis_CIDP) - unprotected in SE Lo

Post by gdudey » Sun Jul 08, 2012 4:44 pm

Depends where in SE London. If you're in Lambeth you'll have a very good chance overwinter. In Bromley for example, it'll might be fine during a normal winter.

I'm on the Essex/London border. The winter 2010/2011 completely defoliated and killed all but the largest CIPDs in my area, all the CIPDs that I know of in central London survived.

Alexander

Re: 7 foot Phoenix canariensis (Phoenix canariensis_CIDP) - unprotected in SE Lo

Post by Alexander » Tue Jul 10, 2012 3:12 am

Maybe even Brahea armata would be possible. Providede you get a very sheltered warm sunny garden with a hot wall to fry it. I saw some nice ones in Locarno at Lago Maggiore last month.

Alexander

Stevo

Re: 7 foot Phoenix canariensis (Phoenix canariensis (Phoenix canariensis_CIDP))

Post by Stevo » Tue Jul 10, 2012 5:45 am

Alexander wrote:Maybe even Brahea armata would be possible. Providede you get a very sheltered warm sunny garden with a hot wall to fry it. I saw some nice ones in Locarno at Lago Maggiore last month.

Alexander
I have a Brahea armata. I thought they were ok down to at least -8? I've never known it that cold here. Is that wrong?

S

billdango

Re: 7 foot Phoenix canariensis (Phoenix canariensis_CIDP) - unprotected in SE Lo

Post by billdango » Tue Jul 10, 2012 4:22 pm

Stevo wrote:Hi,

I'm thinking of buying a 7 foot tall Phoenix canariensis (Phoenix canariensis_CIDP) and was wondering if it would survive unprotected in SE London?

Cheers all.
It should be okay if you tie the leaves up in November and just protect with some sacking if the temperature goes a few degrees below freezing.

Just make sure that no snow or ice collects near the center on the growing point.

Do as I do down here in Southampton and place a well wrapped hot water bottle before you go to bed as close to the growing point as possible

This should prevent the temperature at that delicate point dropping below freezing and that means all the soft center leaves won't collapse come the spring?

Of coarse don't forget to unwrap and untie the palm as soon as the cold snap is over.

I will be starting a [hot water bottle thread] this coming winter to help save the country,s CIDPs.

rgds billdango icon_thumleft

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Re: 7 foot Phoenix canariensis (Phoenix canariensis_CIDP) - unprotected in SE Lo

Post by otorongo » Tue Jul 10, 2012 4:43 pm

This is not SE London, but there are 'public' CIDPs in Hackney growing out in the open (i.e. not against walls). Not sure if they get protection in the winter.

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Addictedtopalms26

Re: 7 foot Phoenix canariensis (Phoenix canariensis_CIDP) - unprotected in SE Lo

Post by Addictedtopalms26 » Tue Jul 10, 2012 7:00 pm

They must get hardier as they get older, because that would make sense to why the ones in London and portsmouth survive?

Stevo

Re: 7 foot Phoenix canariensis (Phoenix canariensis_CIDP) - unprotected in SE Lo

Post by Stevo » Tue Jul 10, 2012 7:08 pm

That's an amazing plant!!

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Re: 7 foot Phoenix canariensis (Phoenix canariensis_CIDP) - unprotected in SE Lo

Post by otorongo » Tue Jul 10, 2012 8:57 pm

There is also a Phoenix canariensis_CIDP on a roundabout near Victoria Park (E1?), quite a few in the City (EC*) about the same size as the Hackney one in the picture on roundabouts and in front of office buildings, 2 in Kensington Gardens, and I've seen a few smaller specimens squeezed into the tiny front gardens in my area (Queen's Park).

GREVILLE

Re: 7 foot Phoenix canariensis (Phoenix canariensis_CIDP) - unprotected in SE Lo

Post by GREVILLE » Tue Jul 10, 2012 9:57 pm

Mine fits the bill. I'm in an SE postcode and has not had any protection for the last fifteen years. The nearby greenhouse, patio and twelve foot wall/fence on its north side are a big help icon_thumright

grub

Re: 7 foot Phoenix canariensis (Phoenix canariensis_CIDP) - unprotected in SE Lo

Post by grub » Tue Jul 10, 2012 10:44 pm

I'd deffo give it a punt, Crews Hill have them about that size for £35 and they've done the last two winters in pots. ( they are a bit damaged but you know those are the survivors :wink: )

medjool

Re: 7 foot Phoenix canariensis (Phoenix canariensis_CIDP) - unprotected in SE Lo

Post by medjool » Tue Jul 10, 2012 10:46 pm

Hi
If i lived in or around London i would plant at least one of these,although they can become a monster!If you get a really bad spell just wrap up for the night!

Alexander

Re: 7 foot Phoenix canariensis (Phoenix canariensis_CIDP) - unprotected in SE Lo

Post by Alexander » Wed Jul 11, 2012 3:49 am

Beautifull Phoenix canariensis_CIDP! And that far north! I have seen some in Locarno, but also with a bit of frostdamage.

Alexander

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