TRex (Tetrapanax papyrifer 'Rex') clone recognition

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Re: TRex (Tetrapanax papyrifer 'Rex') clone recognition

Post by Springy » Sun Jan 12, 2014 7:44 pm

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sanatic1234 wrote:Certainly a different form to mine as all the leaves on bobs are a nice space between them, mine overlap one another. Sorry phoenix i don't know where bobs came from. Looks very similar to dave browns though.
Hi Aaron,
My plant came from Desert to Jungle at Taunton. I believe the pups they sell are harvested from a big plant they have growing in one of their polytunnels. The owners were never on site to ask whenever I visited so I cant say where their original plant came from.
This is a picture of the Desert to Jungle one as far as I know! I took this picture when I was there in 2012.
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Re: TRex (Tetrapanax papyrifer 'Rex') clone recognition

Post by sanatic1234 » Sun Jan 12, 2014 8:06 pm

Bob wrote:
sanatic1234 wrote:Certainly a different form to mine as all the leaves on bobs are a nice space between them, mine overlap one another. Sorry phoenix i don't know where bobs came from. Looks very similar to dave browns though.
Hi Aaron,
My plant came from Desert to Jungle at Taunton. I believe the pups they sell are harvested from a big plant they have growing in one of their polytunnels. The owners were never on site to ask whenever I visited so I cant say where their original plant came from.
Seen those fella's on the chelsea flower show a lot they do some great displays! :-) it was a nice buy bob.
Best regards Aaron :)

Summer 2013 was a good one :-).

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Re: TRex (Tetrapanax papyrifer 'Rex') clone recognition

Post by Bob » Sun Jan 12, 2014 10:55 pm

Mr List wrote:oh look it's bob! :o :D

have you got a new garden now?


I am no expert but I think a clear 50% larger leaf and a different leaf texture/shape is enough to have a different name.

crug farms have a lot of plants that are different to such extents with separate names.

I think most plants sold as rex are commonly the 1m sized leaf plants.


Not yet Ken, I'll bang up some pics when I get started.


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Re: TRex (Tetrapanax papyrifer 'Rex') clone recognition

Post by phoenix » Sun Jan 12, 2014 11:05 pm

Dave Brown wrote: I'm not too sure how you will go about registering a clone derived from your variegated plant that are plain green. Logic suggests that it was the variegation in yours that was different, and that plain green ones from the same parent as your variegated will have the same traits as the the green offspring from yours. If that makes sense.

As you insisted that yours did not come from Mulu, I have removed the word Mulu from all posts relating to the plants I grew from your root cuttings, however I think you will have a mammoth task getting people to call it something other than TRex, as that is the now the 'common name' given the larger, non-standard Tetrapanax in the UK.
"Rex" "Empress" "Di Sue Shan" "Steriodial Giant" are all "Green" plants but each has differences just like those derived from my variegated "Princess", this has been identified as a distinctly different form for the past few years due to its rapid growth rate/ leaf shape and size not variegation but is now nothing more than just another "Rex" lookalike. :?
I was growing and selling my cloned/ root cutting plants wholesale to specialist nurseries and also supplying zoo's and wildlife parks in the UK from 2005, way before i opened the doors to the public so there are potentially plenty of "mother" plants about.
What i'm trying to do is trace where the plants from root cuttings went after i'd made them available to members of this forum,I think thats only fair considering i gave everyone a golden ticket with regards to propagation from root cuttings in the first place.
I'm not about to restrict the propagation of them nor am i looking for a breeders cut although i'll be pretty miffed if someone is making a large profit from them seeing as the original root cuttings were sold for £1 each.
As far as i'm concerned the more that are grown the better, that was the main reason for originally making the root cuttings and propagation method available .
The thing is, if these plants are identified then anyone who gets one will know exactly what they are getting, it will be a vegetative clone with known provenance, habit and hardiness unlike a lot of the T/C'd Tetrapanax that are currently on offer.
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Re: TRex (Tetrapanax papyrifer 'Rex') clone recognition

Post by Bob » Sun Jan 12, 2014 11:09 pm

Springy wrote:
Bob wrote:
sanatic1234 wrote:Certainly a different form to mine as all the leaves on bobs are a nice space between them, mine overlap one another. Sorry phoenix i don't know where bobs came from. Looks very similar to dave browns though.
Hi Aaron,
My plant came from Desert to Jungle at Taunton. I believe the pups they sell are harvested from a big plant they have growing in one of their polytunnels. The owners were never on site to ask whenever I visited so I cant say where their original plant came from.
This is a picture of the Desert to Jungle one as far as I know! I took this picture when I was there in 2012.

That's the one Springy, it has to be constantly pruned to keep it in the tunnel!


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Re: TRex (Tetrapanax papyrifer 'Rex') clone recognition

Post by cordyman » Mon Jan 13, 2014 10:21 pm

phoenix wrote:
Dave Brown wrote: I'm not too sure how you will go about registering a clone derived from your variegated plant that are plain green. Logic suggests that it was the variegation in yours that was different, and that plain green ones from the same parent as your variegated will have the same traits as the the green offspring from yours. If that makes sense.

As you insisted that yours did not come from Mulu, I have removed the word Mulu from all posts relating to the plants I grew from your root cuttings, however I think you will have a mammoth task getting people to call it something other than TRex, as that is the now the 'common name' given the larger, non-standard Tetrapanax in the UK.
"Rex" "Empress" "Di Sue Shan" "Steriodial Giant" are all "Green" plants but each has differences just like those derived from my variegated "Princess", this has been identified as a distinctly different form for the past few years due to its rapid growth rate/ leaf shape and size not variegation but is now nothing more than just another "Rex" lookalike. :?
I was growing and selling my cloned/ root cutting plants wholesale to specialist nurseries and also supplying zoo's and wildlife parks in the UK from 2005, way before i opened the doors to the public so there are potentially plenty of "mother" plants about.
What i'm trying to do is trace where the plants from root cuttings went after i'd made them available to members of this forum,I think thats only fair considering i gave everyone a golden ticket with regards to propagation from root cuttings in the first place.
I'm not about to restrict the propagation of them nor am i looking for a breeders cut although i'll be pretty miffed if someone is making a large profit from them seeing as the original root cuttings were sold for £1 each.
As far as i'm concerned the more that are grown the better, that was the main reason for originally making the root cuttings and propagation method available .
The thing is, if these plants are identified then anyone who gets one will know exactly what they are getting, it will be a vegetative clone with known provenance, habit and hardiness unlike a lot of the T/C'd Tetrapanax that are currently on offer.
Could be worth making a new post Phoenix, many will miss your request hidden in this topic.


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