Frost - SUB ZERO 2013/14 discussion

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Re: Frost - SUB ZERO 2013/14 discussion

Post by multim » Wed Oct 30, 2013 9:12 am

It came very close last night/this morning = 0.3c
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Re: Frost - SUB ZERO 2013/14 discussion

Post by jezza » Wed Oct 30, 2013 9:17 am

Light frost on the roof of the car this morning. 1.7c


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Re: Frost - SUB ZERO 2013/14 discussion

Post by kata » Wed Oct 30, 2013 10:11 am

Not a sign of frost here,

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Re: Frost - SUB ZERO 2013/14 discussion

Post by karl66 » Wed Oct 30, 2013 6:36 pm

I've been working in Tewksbury today & the customer said they had a frost last night!, mind you this was right out in the sticks!, place called coarse green. karl.


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Re: Frost - SUB ZERO 2013/14 discussion

Post by cheshirepalms » Wed Oct 30, 2013 8:40 pm

5.2c was the low last night, expected lower, so was happy enough. It was crystal clear too at 615am when I went to work. Much milder tonight, although cooler nights to come!


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Re: Frost - SUB ZERO 2013/14 discussion

Post by stephenprudence » Wed Oct 30, 2013 9:20 pm

Im surprised you recorded that high when most of Wirral and Liverpool recorded below 3-4C.

It didn't here fortunately, but it was a southwesterly breeze that kept things up here

That said, an air frost here will happen soon. Easily before mid-November I think.
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Re: Frost - SUB ZERO 2013/14 discussion

Post by Tom2006 » Wed Oct 30, 2013 9:22 pm

No sign of any frost, generally speaking, right into November. Could this finally be a return to the milder winters we got so use to?

http://www.theweatheroutlook.com/twodata/datmdlout.aspx
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Re: Frost - SUB ZERO 2013/14 discussion

Post by Panama Pete » Wed Oct 30, 2013 9:48 pm

Im in nottm city and it was only 4.5 last night, into early hours. Frost was recorded however 15 miles north in Nottinghamshire.


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Re: Frost - SUB ZERO 2013/14 discussion

Post by stephenprudence » Wed Oct 30, 2013 11:07 pm

Tom, I think frost will occur sooner or later, it's unreasonable to expect we can just float on a cloud of mildness for the rest of Autumn, I don't think it's plausible, but I also don't see a freeze or anything like that.
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Re: Frost - SUB ZERO 2013/14 discussion

Post by Tom2006 » Wed Oct 30, 2013 11:16 pm

stephenprudence wrote:Tom, I think frost will occur sooner or later, it's unreasonable to expect we can just float on a cloud of mildness for the rest of Autumn, I don't think it's plausible, but I also don't see a freeze or anything like that.
I think it was winter 2006-7 and we had about three air frosts all winter here, and I'm talking melting by 7-8am so its certainly more than plausible, only the last 4 winters that have reminded us what winters are all about. Heres hoping that the Azores high stays firmly in place. icon_thumleft
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Re: Frost - SUB ZERO 2013/14 discussion

Post by stephenprudence » Wed Oct 30, 2013 11:20 pm

Let's hope so! The SST's should be on our side, but when that high pressure moves in, we'll see frost. I think this year we're going to see the fairly unusual situation whereby central Europe gets less frosts than us, at least in early winter, as the continental landmass is really warm for the time of year, and I think at least until late December, the British Isles will record more frosts than Germany.
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Re: Frost - SUB ZERO 2013/14 discussion

Post by Tom2006 » Wed Oct 30, 2013 11:31 pm

stephenprudence wrote:Let's hope so! The SST's should be on our side, but when that high pressure moves in, we'll see frost. I think this year we're going to see the fairly unusual situation whereby central Europe gets less frosts than us, at least in early winter, as the continental landmass is really warm for the time of year, and I think at least until late December, the British Isles will record more frosts than Germany.
I hope your wrong Stephen but looking at the current charts no frosts, or certainly no harsh frosts anywhere to be seen right through to the middle of November. icon_thumleft
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Re: Frost - SUB ZERO 2013/14 discussion

Post by cordyman » Thu Oct 31, 2013 7:38 am

Tom2006 wrote:No sign of any frost, generally speaking, right into November. Could this finally be a return to the milder winters we got so use to?

http://www.theweatheroutlook.com/twodata/datmdlout.aspx
IMHO since the cool Spring left, the weather has been pretty darn excellent as a whole right through here. Less rain than average.. warmer than average, more sunlight hours than average. If i can make it to December without protecting ill be over the moon. Fully stocked garden in December will be great site lol


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Re: Frost - SUB ZERO 2013/14 discussion

Post by stephenprudence » Thu Oct 31, 2013 11:02 am

I expect the first air frost will hit my area within the next week, even if only briefly. This is not pessimism, but a recognition of how cold our climate can be at any time of year, always good to be expectant. I feel one of the shortcomings of the models are the inability to sometimes forecast frosts at medium range, so they tend to 'pop up' out of no where. It would be nice to go frost free until December, and it may happen for some locations, but my location is not one of them... it has a tendency to get very cold early on recently (then moderate later on)
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Re: Frost - SUB ZERO 2013/14 discussion

Post by Nigel » Thu Oct 31, 2013 11:16 am

During the mild years, it was not unusual for Bizzy Lizzies to remain in flower until christmas. This current weather simply cannot be better for a mild outlook, it doesnt get any better than this, and it sticks around.
The danger period is last week of November when traditionally the first cold spell of winter hits. Until then I think it will stay exceptionally mild.
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